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  1. #3531
    Öèòàòà Ñîîáùåíèå îò kayfadin Ïîñìîòðåòü ñîîáùåíèå
    Ïîòîìó ÷òî îí óìåð è ñåé÷àñ âìåñòî íåãî äâîéíèê.
    Íå ñòàðàéòåñü âûãëÿäåòü ãëóïåé, ÷åì âû åñòü. Íå íàäî.

    Ïî÷åìó òîãäà ýêñïåðòèçà Ðóäîëüôà ìîæåò ñëóæèòü îïðîâåðæåíèåì êðàêîâñêîé?
    À ñ ÷åãî âû âçÿëè, ÷òî ÷òî îíà "ìîæåò"?
    Ýòî äâå ñîâåðøåííî ðàçíûå ýêñïåðòèçû. Î ðàçíûõ âåùåñòâàõ. Ïîýòîìó, î÷åâèäíî, ÷òî îäíà íèêàê íå ìîæåò áûòü îïðîâåðæåíèåì äðóãîé.
    Õîòÿ õîëîêîñòíèêè óâåðÿþò, ÷òî Êðàêîâñêàÿ - ýòî îïðîâåðæåíèå Ðóäîëüôîâñêîé. Íî ìû æå ñ âàìè ïîíèìàåì...

    ×èñòî íåìåöêóþ ôàìèëèþ íåâîçìîæíî îòëè÷èòü îò ÷èñòî åâðåéñêîé. Òàê êàê ôàìèëèè åâðåÿì äàâàëè íåìåöêèå. Ðîæà ó íåãî åâðåéñêàÿ, òû ïðîñòî íå ðàçáèðàåøüñÿ â åâðåéñêèõ ðîæàõ.
    Íó, âàì âèäíåé...





    Íåò, êàêîé ñìûñë èì ïîääëûâàòü ýêñïåðòèçó, ÷òîáû ýòèì äèñêðåäèòèðîâàòü ñàì ôàêò õîëîêîñòà? Ó÷èòûâàÿ ÷òî îáìàí ìîæíî ðàçîáëà÷èòü â ëþáîé ìîìåíò â äâà ñ÷åòà - ïðîâîäèòü åãî àáñîëþòíî íå ëîãè÷íî.
    À êòî ïîääåëûâàë ýêñïåðòèçó? Âû î ÷åì? ß î òàêîì íå ñëûøàë...

  2. #3532
    Öèòàòà Ñîîáùåíèå îò lexie Ïîñìîòðåòü ñîîáùåíèå
    äà ëàäíî âòîðîé ìèðîâîé âîéíû âîîáùå íå áûëî, ÷òî òû. ýòî ôàíòàñòè÷åñêèå äî àáñóðäà áàéêè ÿêîáû ñâèäåòåëåé .
    Íå îáîáùàéòå. Ðå÷ü î Áàáüåì ßðå.

    Öèòàòà Ñîîáùåíèå îò lexie Ïîñìîòðåòü ñîîáùåíèå
    äà ïîíÿòíî ÷î. õîëîêîñò âûäóìêà åâðååâ, âîò è âåñü ñêàç.
    Õîëîêîñò, êàê ÿ óñïåë òóò ïîíÿòü - ñóòü íåîïðåäåë¸ííàÿ.
    Ëè÷íî ÿ ãîâîðèë òîëüêî î ãàçîâûõ êàìåðàõ.

    à ãèòëåð ñòðîèë äîðîãè, ïîäíèìàë ðîæäàåìîñòü , ïðîìûøëåííîñòü ñòðîèë âåëèêóþ èìïåðèþ.
    Â êîè-òî âåêè, õîòü ÷òî-òî ïðàâèëüíîå ñêàçàëè.

    â îáùåì íîðìàëüíûé áûë ÷óâàê, òîëüêî æèäû åãî îãîâîðèëè.
    À òóò ñíîâà íàêîñÿ÷èëè: íå "íîðìàëüíûé ÷óâàê", à êðîâàâûé óáèéöà.

    À "æèäû" îãîâîðèëè íå åãî, à áîëüøå - ñåáÿ ñàìèõ. È âûéòè ñóõèìè èç âîäû èì âðÿä ëè ïîëó÷èòñÿ.
    Ïîæèâåì - óâèäèì...

  3. #3533
    äëÿ óïîðîòîãî
    Áàáèé ßð ,
    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Áàáèé_ßð
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babi_Yar
    ñâèäåòåëüñòâà, âûæèâøèå

    One of the most often-cited parts of Anatoly Kuznetsov's documentary novel Babi Yar is the testimony of Dina Pronicheva, an actress of the Kiev Puppet Theatre, and a survivor.[24] She was one of those ordered to march to the ravine, to be forced to undress and then be shot. Jumping before being shot and falling on other bodies, she played dead in a pile of corpses. She held perfectly still while the Nazis continued to shoot the wounded or gasping victims. Although the SS had covered the mass grave with earth, she eventually managed to climb through the soil and escape. Since it was dark, she had to avoid the torches of the Nazis finishing off the remaining victims still alive, wounded and gasping in the grave. She was one of the very few survivors of the massacre and later related her horrifying story to Kuznetsov.[25] At least 29 survivors are known.[26]

    In 2006, Yad Vashem and other Jewish organisations started a project to identify and name the Babi Yar victims, but so far only 10% have been identified. Yad Vashem has recorded the names of around 3,000 Jews killed at Babi Yar, as well as those of some 7,000 Jews from Kiev who were killed during the Holocaust.[27]


    êàê ïðîèñõîäèëî

    Axis forces, mainly German, occupied Kiev on 19 September 1941. On 26 September Maj. Gen. Kurt Eberhard, the military governor, and SS-Obergruppenführer Friedrich Jeckeln, the SS and Police Leader at Rear Headquarters Army Group South, made the decision to exterminate the Jews of Kiev, claiming that it was in retaliation for guerrilla attacks against German troops.[8] Einsatzgruppe C carried out the Babi Yar massacre and a number of other mass atrocities in Ukraine during the summer and autumn of 1941. Its commander SS-Brigadeführer Dr. Otto Rasch and the officer commanding Sonderkommando 4a, SS-Standartenführer Paul Blobel were at the September 26 meeting as well. An order was then posted in the town:



    On 29 and 30 September 1941, a special team of German SS troops supported by other German units and local collaborators murdered 33,771 Jewish civilians after taking them to the ravine.[11][12][13][14]

    The implementation of the order was entrusted to Sonderkommando 4a, commanded by Blobel, under the general command of Friedrich Jeckeln.[15] This unit consisted of SD and Sipo, the third company of the Special Duties Waffen-SS battalion, and a platoon of the 9th Police Battalion. Police Battalion 45, commanded by Major Besser, conducted the massacre, supported by members of a Waffen-SS battalion.

    ñàìî äåéñòâî ñîãëàñíî ñâèäåòëñüòñâàì
    The crowd was large enough that most of the victims could not have known what was happening until it was too late; by the time they heard the machine gun fire, there was no chance to escape. All were driven down a corridor of soldiers, in groups of ten, and then shot. A truck driver described the scene.

    Once undressed, they were led into the ravine which was about 150 metres long and 30 metres wide and a good 15 metres deep … When they reached the bottom of the ravine they were seized by members of the Schutzpolizei and made to lie down on top of Jews who had already been shot … The corpses were literally in layers. A police marksman came along and shot each Jew in the neck with a submachine gun … I saw these marksmen stand on layers of corpses and shoot one after the other … The marksman would walk across the bodies of the executed Jews to the next Jew, who had meanwhile lain down, and shoot him.[10]

    Ðàçäåòûõ åâðååâ íàïðàâëÿëè â îâðàã ïðèìåðíî 150 ìåòðîâ äëèíîé, 30 ìåòðîâ øèðèíîé è öåëûõ 15 ìåòðîâ ãëóáèíîé.  ýòîò îâðàã âåëî 2 èëè 3 óçêèõ ïðîõîäà, ïî êîòîðûì ñïóñêàëèñü åâðåè. Êîãäà îíè ïîäõîäèëè ê êðàþ îâðàãà, íåìåöêèå ïîëèöåéñêèå õâàòàëè èõ è óêëàäûâàëè íà òðóïû óæå íàõîäèâøèõñÿ òàì ðàññòðåëÿííûõ åâðååâ. Ýòî ïðîèñõîäèëî î÷åíü áûñòðî. Òðóïû ëåæàëè àêêóðàòíûìè ðÿäàìè. Êàê òîëüêî åâðåé ëîæèëñÿ, ïîäõîäèë íåìåöêèé ïîëèöåéñêèé ñ àâòîìàòîì è ñòðåëÿë ëåæàâøåìó â çàòûëîê. Åâðåè, ñïóñêàâøèåñÿ â îâðàã, áûëè íàñòîëüêî èñïóãàíû ýòîé ñòðàøíîé êàðòèíîé, ÷òî ñòàíîâèëèñü ñîâåðøåííî áåçâîëüíûìè…




    ñîãëàñíî äîêóìåíòàì îò÷åòîâ àéíçàö ãðóïï

    In the evening, the Germans undermined the wall of the ravine and buried the people under the thick layers of earth.[16] According to the Einsatzgruppe's Operational Situation Report, 33,771 Jews from Kiev and its suburbs were systematically shot dead by machine-gun fire at Babi Yar on 29 September and 30 September 1941.[21]

    î ðàáîòå ñàìèõ àéíçàö ãðóïï, òùàòåëüíî çàêîìåíòèðîâàííûå ñâåðõñåêðåòíûå ñîîáùåíèÿ ëåãøèå â îñíîâó ïðîöåññîâ .

    https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Einsat...eldungen_UdSSR

    òî ñàìûé ñåêòðåòíûé îò÷åò íîìåð 101 î ñàìîì ìàñøòàáíîì ðàññòðåëå â îêòÿáðå 1941 ãîäà..
    Ereignismeldung UdSSR Nr. 101 vom 2. Oktober 1941:

    „Das Sonderkommando 4a hat in Zusammenarbeit mit Gruppenstab und zwei Kommandos des Polizei-Regiments Süd am 29. und 30. September 1941 in Kiew 33.771 Juden exekutiert.“[38]

    ñàìè ñîîáùåíèÿ íàõîäÿòñÿ

    Die Originale selbst befinden sich unter den Signaturen R 58/214-221 im Bundesarchiv Berlin-Lichterfelde, Kopien in einer Reihe anderer Archive, z. B. auch beim Institut für Zeitgeschichte.[35]

    (òàì æå êñòàòè ìàññà åùå ìíîãî èíòðåñíîãî â îò÷åòàõ è êîëè÷åòñâå óíè÷òîæåííûõ àéíçàöãðóïïàìè çà ïåðèîä 1941-1944 ãã)


    òî÷íîå ÷èñëî æåðòâ óíè÷òîæåííûõ â áàáüåì áîðó íåèçâåñòíî äî ñèõ ïîð íàçûâàþòñÿ öèôðû îò 70 äî 150 òûñÿ÷, çà âñå âðåìÿ íåìåöêîé îêêóïàöèè ñ 1941 ïî 1943 ãîä.

    ìîæíî ïî÷èòàòü ëþáóþ âåðñèè íà ëþáîì ÿçûêå, âñå ïðèìåðíî îäèíàêîâî. åñòü åñòü æåëàíèå ìîæíî ïîðûòü ñàìè ñêàíû îò÷åòîâ.
    ó ìåíÿ åñòü âè́äåíèå! ... òåëåâè́äåíèå!

  4. #3534
    Öèòàòà Ñîîáùåíèå îò KPEH5 Ïîñìîòðåòü ñîîáùåíèå
    Äûê, ÷òî æ ÿ ìîãó ñäåëàòü?...
    Â îôèöèàëüíîé âåðñèè èìåííî òàê ñêàçàíî: èñïóãàâøèñü íàñòóïëåíèÿ Êðàñíîé Àðìèè ôàøèñòû ïðèãíàëè 100(ïî äðóãèì äàííûì 300) äîõîäÿã â êàíäàëàõ èç ñîñåäíåãî ëàãåðÿ, è çà ìåñÿö ñ íåáîëüøèì îíè âûêîïàëè ñîòíè òûñÿ÷ òðóïîâ(íàñåëåíèå êðóïíîãî ãîðîäà) è ÁÅÑÑËÅÄÍÎ èõ ñîæãëè.

    Äà òàê ñîæãëè, ÷òî ÷åðåç ïàðó ìåñÿöåâ êîìèññèÿ ïî ðàññëåäîâàíèþ íå ñìîãëà îáíàðóæèòü íèêàêèõ ñëåäîâ.
    Íè ïåïëà, íè ñëåäîâ ðàñêîïîê, íè îñòàòêîâ ïå÷åé, íè îñòàòêîâ òðóïîâ - ÍÈ×ÅÃÎ.
    Íó, òî-åñòü ÑÎÂÑÅÌ íè÷åãî.
    Íîëü. Çåðî.
    Òîëüêî äåâñòâåííûé îâðàã ñ êóñòèêàìè è èçâèëèñòîé òðîïèíêîé íà äíå. Ôîòî êîìèññèè åñòü â èíåòå - ìîæåòå ïîëþáîïûòñòâîâàòü.
    Ýòî ãäå òàêîå ñêàçàíî? Ñêèíü-êà ññûëêó?
    „Âî âðåìåíà âñåîáùåé ëæè ãîâîðèòü ïðàâäó — ýòî ýêñòðåìèçì” Äæîðäæ Îðóýëë

  5. #3535
    î ãàçåíâàãåíàõ è ãàçîâûõ êàìåðàõ. êàê øèðîêî èçâåñòíî îñíîâàíèåì äëÿ èõ ìàññîâîãî ïðèìåííåèå ñòàëà äîêðèíà îêîí÷àòåëüíîãî ðåøåíèÿ åâðåéñêîãî âîïðîñà, îêîí÷àòåëüíî îäîáðåííàÿ íà ñâåðõñåêðåòíîì ñîâåùàíèè â âàíçåå ( åñòü äàæå õóä. ôèëüì îá ýòîì ).

    Deutsch: Auf der Wannseekonferenz vom 20. Januar 1942 kamen unter Vorsitz von SS-Obergruppenführer Reinhard Heydrich, Chef des Reichssicherheitshauptamts, 15 hochrangige Vertreter von nationalsozialistischen Reichsbehörden und Parteidienststellen zusammen, um den begonnenen Holocaust an den Juden im Detail zu organisieren und die Zusammenarbeit aller Instanzen dabei sicherzustellen. (Qsicon Exzellent.svg Exzellenter Artikel)

    English: The Wannsee Conference was a meeting of senior officials of the Nazi German regime, held in the Berlin suburb of Wannsee on 20 January 1942. The purpose of the conference was to inform senior Nazis and senior Governmental administrators of plans for the "Final solution to the Jewish question."

    https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wannsee_Conference

    ïî÷åìó ýòî áûëî ñäåëàíî? äåëî â òîì ÷òî êàê ïîêàçàëà ïðàêòèêà ñîãëàñíî îò÷åòàì àéíçàö ãðóïï íà îêêóïèðîâàííûõ âîñòî÷íûõ òåððèòîðèÿõ ( â ÷àñòíîñòè ìàññîâûå ðàñòðåëû â áàáüáåì áîðó)
    óíè÷òîæåíèå åâðååâ òàêèì îáðàçîì áûëî êðàéíå çàòðàòíûì è íå î÷åíü ýôôåêòèâíûì. òðåáîâàëîñü óíè÷òîæàòü íå äåñÿòêè òûñÿ÷, à ìèëëèîíû â ñæàòûå ñðîêè.
    ãàç ðåøàë ýòó ïðîáëåìó.

    òåïåðü î ñàìèõ êàìåðàõ ÷òî îíè âñå òàêè ñóùåòñâîâàëè, ïîäðîáíî è ñî ññûëêàìè íà äîêóìåíòû è ñâèäåòåëüñòâà.
    https://vk.com/wall-68120253?own=1&offset=20

    åùå î ãàçåíâàãåíàõ
    https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Einsat...SD#cite_ref-38
    â òîïèêå Tötungsart „Gaswagen“
    Ïîñëåäíèé ðàç ðåäàêòèðîâàëîñü lexie; 18.03.2015 â 16:56.
    ó ìåíÿ åñòü âè́äåíèå! ... òåëåâè́äåíèå!

  6. #3536
    lexie áåäà â òîì, âñå âàøè ññûëêè è âñÿ âàøà ïèñàíèíà ðàçáèâàåòñÿ îäíèì ùåë÷êîì ñ ïîìîùüþ ïðîñòîãî âîïðîñà, êîòîðûé ÿ çàäàâàë ìíîãî ðàç:




    Áåç îòâåòà íà ýòîò ýëåìåíòàðíûé âîïðîñ âñ¸ òî, ÷òî âû çàïîñòèëè íå ñòîèò ëîìàíîãî ðóáëÿ.

  7. #3537
    Öèòàòà Ñîîáùåíèå îò KPEH5 Ïîñìîòðåòü ñîîáùåíèå
    lexie áåäà â òîì, âñå âàøè ññûëêè è âñÿ âàøà ïèñàíèíà ðàçáèâàåòñÿ îäíèì ùåë÷êîì ñ ïîìîùüþ ïðîñòîãî âîïðîñà, êîòîðûé ÿ çàäàâàë ìíîãî ðàç:
    Áåç îòâåòà íà ýòîò ýëåìåíòàðíûé âîïðîñ âñ¸ òî, ÷òî âû çàïîñòèëè íå ñòîèò ëîìàíîãî ðóáëÿ.
    áåäà â òîì ÷òî ÷èòàòü íàäî âíèìàòåëüíî
    îñíîâà - ñîîáùåíèÿ çîíäåðêîììàíä , øåäøèå â ãëàâíîå óïðàâäåíèå ðåéõêàíöåëÿðèè ê ñàìîìó ãèììëåðó. êàê èçâåñòíî, íåìöû î÷åíü ïóíêòàëüíàÿ íàöèÿ è òùàòåëüíî äîêóìåíòèðîâàëè âñå ñîâåðøàåìîå.

    îòòóäà æå , ÷èòàåì.

    Einzelne Massenmorde wie den in Kiew (Babi Yar) und Lubny ließ das NS-Regime dokumentieren, etwa mit Fotografien des deutschen Kriegsberichterstatters Johannes Hähle (1906–1944). Das Sonderkommando 4a meldete nach dem Massaker „störungslosen“ Vollzug.[44] Gegen Ende der zweiten Tötungswelle sollten wegen des Vormarschs der Roten Armee jedoch die Spuren der Morde verwischt werden. Die nur notdürftig verscharrten Leichenberge zeugten überall von den Vernichtungsaktionen der Einsatzgruppen. Die durch den Verwesungsprozess aufglähten Leichen hoben sich und drangen somit wieder an die Oberfläche. Himmler ordnete daher im Mai 1943 an, die Spuren der Exekutionen zu verwischen.[45] Damit wurde der vormalige Kommandeur des SK 4a, SS-Standartenführer Paul Blobel, beauftragt, der bereits in Chelmno Erfahrungen mit der Enterdung und Verbrennung von Leichen gesammelt hatte. Blobel stellte hierfür ein eigenes Sonderkommando mit der Bezeichnung „1005“ (Sonderkommando 1005) zusammen, das die Massengräber zu öffnen und die Leichen zu verbrennen hatte. Er konnte jedoch nur einen Teil der Spuren verwischen, ehe die Rote Armee schließlich 1944 die betroffenen Giete zurückeroberte.[46]

    ò.å àéçàöãðóïïàìè ïðîâîäèëîñü âêñðûòèå çàõîðîíåíèé è èõ óíè÷òîæåíèå. îáû÷íàÿ ïðàêòèêà ïîñëå òîãî êàê ñëó÷èëñÿ ïåðåëîì âîéíû è çàïàõëî æàðåíûì.
    òåì íå ìåíåå âñå óíè÷òîæèòü íå óäàëîñü. ñóùåñòâóåò ñïåöèàëüíàÿ ãðóïïà çàíèìàþùàÿñÿ âîññòñàíîâëåíèåì èìåí ïîãèáùèõ èì óäàëîñü èäåíòèôèöèðîâàòü ïîðÿäê 10000 ÷åëîâåê ...
    Ïîñëåäíèé ðàç ðåäàêòèðîâàëîñü lexie; 18.03.2015 â 17:11.
    ó ìåíÿ åñòü âè́äåíèå! ... òåëåâè́äåíèå!

  8. #3538
    Öèòàòà Ñîîáùåíèå îò lexie Ïîñìîòðåòü ñîîáùåíèå
    î ãàçåíâàãåíàõ è ãàçîâûõ êàìåðàõ. êàê øèðîêî èçâåñòíî îñíîâàíèåì äëÿ èõ ìàññîâîãî ïðèìåííåèå ñòàëà äîêðèíà îêîí÷àòåëüíîãî ðåøåíèÿ åâðåéñêîãî âîïðîñà, îêîí÷àòåëüíî îäîáðåííàÿ íà ñâåðõñåêðåòíîì ñîâåùàíèè â âàíçåå ( åñòü äàæå õóä. ôèëüì îá ýòîì ).
    Âàíçåéñêîå ñîâåùàíèå íå áûëî ñâåðõñåêðåòíûì, ïîñêîëüêó òàì íå ïðèíèìàëîñü íèêàêèõ ñâåðõñåêðåòíûõ ðåøåíèé.

    Êàê ñêàçàë ïðî ýòî ñîâåùàíèå åù¸ â 1982-ì ãîäó Éåãóäà Áàóýð, ïðîôåññîð Åâðåéñêîãî óíèâåðñèòåòà â Èåðóñàëèìå:

    "Îáùåñòâåííîñòü äî ñèõ ïîð âðåìÿ îò âðåìåíè ïîâòîðÿåò ýòó äóðàöêóþ èñòîðèþ î òîì, áóäòî â Âàíçåå áûëî ïðèíÿòî ðåøåíèå îá óíè÷òîæåíèè åâðååâ" ("The Canadian Jewish News", 20 ÿíâàðÿ 1982, ñòð. 8)

    Ýòî îí î âàñ, lexie

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    Öèòàòà Ñîîáùåíèå îò KPEH5 Ïîñìîòðåòü ñîîáùåíèå
    Èòîãî èìååì:
    â äåíü 300 çàêîâàííûõ â êàíäàëû äîõîäÿã âûêàïûâàëè 100 òîíí òðóïîâ â äåíü,
    ñêëàäûâàëè êîñòðû ìàññîé â 450 òîíí,
    ñæèãàëè ýòîò êîñòåð äîòëà,
    îñòóæàëè ýòó ãîðó çîëû ïîëíîñòüþ (èíà÷å âðó÷íóþ ëîïàòàìè å¸ íå ðàñêèäàòü),
    äðîáèëè íà êàìåíûõ ïëèòàõ íå ñãîðåâøèå îñòàòêè êó÷è â 33 òîííû âåñîì,
    çàòåì áåññëåäíî ðàçâåèâàëè ýòè 33 òîííû.

    È òàê ÊÀÆÄÛÉ äåíü â òå÷åíèå ïî÷òè ïîëóòîðà ìåñÿöåâ.

    Ïðè÷åì, ó÷òèòå, ÷òî âñå ýòî ÿêîáû ïðîèñõîäèëî íà îãðàíè÷åííîé òåððèòîðèè, ïðàêòè÷åñêè íà îäíîì ïÿòà÷êå!

    ß ýòî íå ïðèäóìàë. Ýòî îôèöèàëüíàÿ âåðñèÿ. Åñëè ïðèíÿòü êîëè÷åñòâî óáèòûõ â 150 000, êàê íàñòàèâàþò íåêîòîðûå "èññëåäîâàòåëè", òî âñå öèôðû óâåëè÷üòå â ïîëòîðà ðàçà.

    Êàê âû ïîëàãàåòå, íà âçãëÿä ðàçóìíîãî ÷åëîâåêà - ýòî âñ¸ ðåàëüíî?


    Ìîãó ëèøü çàäàòü âàì àíàëîãè÷íûé âîïðîñ ïðî ãàçîâûå êàìåðû.
    150 000 - Ýòî âñåãî ëèøü îôèöèàëüíàÿ âåðñèÿ. Âîò òîëüêî ñêîëüêî èç ýòîãî ÷èñëà áûëî ïîõîðîíåíî, à ñêîëüêî èçíà÷àëüíî ñîææåíî íåèçâåñòíî. Òàêæå íåèçâåñòíî ñêîëüêî áûëî ïîõîðîíåíî â Áàáèé ßð, à ñêîëüêî â äðóãèõ ìåñòàõ. Òàêæå íå ñòîèò çàáûâàòü. ÷òî òðóïû ñî âðåìåíåì ðàçëàãàþòñÿ.
    „Âî âðåìåíà âñåîáùåé ëæè ãîâîðèòü ïðàâäó — ýòî ýêñòðåìèçì” Äæîðäæ Îðóýëë

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    Öèòàòà Ñîîáùåíèå îò Ñòåïàí Áàíäåðà Ïîñìîòðåòü ñîîáùåíèå
    150 000 - Ýòî âñåãî ëèøü îôèöèàëüíàÿ âåðñèÿ. Âîò òîëüêî ñêîëüêî èç ýòîãî ÷èñëà áûëî ïîõîðîíåíî, à ñêîëüêî èçíà÷àëüíî ñîææåíî íåèçâåñòíî. Òàêæå íåèçâåñòíî ñêîëüêî áûëî ïîõîðîíåíî â Áàáèé ßð, à ñêîëüêî â äðóãèõ ìåñòàõ. Òàêæå íå ñòîèò çàáûâàòü. ÷òî òðóïû ñî âðåìåíåì ðàçëàãàþòñÿ.
    äà ôèãëå åìó ýòî ãîâîðèòü. îí âèäíî ñ÷èòàåò ÷òî òðóïû çà 70 ëåò è çà ïåðèîä ñîêðûòèÿ ïðåñòóïëåíèé àéíçàöãðóïïàìè äîëæíû áûëè ëåæàòü â íåèçìåííîì âèäå ñ äîêóìåíòàìè â ðóêàõ. ôîòîäîêóìåíòèðîâàíèå ðàññòðåëîâ äëÿ íåãî òîæå íå àãðóìåíò.
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